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[iDroidGuy]

I'm on the .79 right now. I really don't want to wait any longer for the OTA. Thinking about going ahead and flashing .206. Idk though. My only reason not to is the idea that the soak will begin the second I flash it.

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[dipsetdiplomat]

There nothing really different between the builds. If I still had the option to fastboot, I'd stay on .79.

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[trekie4ever]

Just stick with .79.... I was stuck on .84 on my og RAZR but my new Max is on .79
There is really no difference except that the battery actually reports correctly on 79

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[Alex.Abraham]

See what roms are available on .79 and flash one of them. IMO any rom is better than stock even with data issues

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[iDroidGuy]

I actually really like ICS stock. I'm a true crackflasher but I have to have a stable ROM. Plus this phone already has data issues. Warranty swap time!

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[jamRwoo]

I feel the same. The Bold Adventurer in me wants to install the latest and greatest, the OCD-Nerd part of me wants to compare .206 and .79 to make an informed decision, while my Cautious Cat (and b419kid ) advises me to play it safe.

hmm.

Unless such a changelog exists, I'm about to go ahead with flashing .79. DATA-ON-BOOT GOD PLEASE!

[daddymikey1975]

I feel the same. The Bold Adventurer in me wants to install the latest and greatest, the OCD-Nerd part of me wants to compare .206 and .79 to make an informed decision, while my Cautious Cat (and b419kid ) advises me to play it safe.

hmm.

Unless such a changelog exists, I'm about to go ahead with flashing .79. DATA-ON-BOOT GOD PLEASE!

I'm on .79 only because I like the failsafe that fastboot provides.

I also went through all of the ICS leak ROMs this weekend. I finally settled on dhacker's AOKP build. Data on boot (w/ all 4G's).. very stable connection whether it's wifi or 4G.. lots of customizations/tweaks/options..

Try them all and see what works for you.. For now, I'd stay away from anything that's not fastbootable backwards (if we need to) but that's just me.

[willjohnson]

Just stick with .79.... I was stuck on .84 on my og RAZR but my new Max is on .79
There is really no difference except that the battery actually reports correctly on 79

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No the battery does not... I am on .79 now and stay at 100 percent all day, no matter what ROM, I have tried all three available for the leaks.

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[biggiesmalls657]

No the battery does not... I am on .79 now and stay at 100 percent all day, no matter what ROM, I have tried all three available for the leaks.

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I find that when flashing roms its best not only to wipe caches and data but /pds. just an experience share.

[daddymikey1975]

I find that when flashing roms its best not only to wipe caches and data but /pds. just an experience share.

what's in /pds and what does it solve by wiping it as well ?

I've never heard of this before and been an android user for years

[Aixelsyd]

No the battery does not... I am on .79 now and stay at 100 percent all day, no matter what ROM, I have tried all three available for the leaks.

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Says who, I've been on 79 for over a wk and my battery reports juts fine. I've even flashed multiple builds from Dhacker of his CM9 builds, flashed AOKP this morning and had also done Black Widow earlier in the wk and they all report battery like they should.

[Aixelsyd]

I'm on the .79 right now. I really don't want to wait any longer for the OTA. Thinking about going ahead and flashing .206. Idk though. My only reason not to is the idea that the soak will begin the second I flash it.

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IMO stay on 79, the newer 20x and higher are not much better then the 79 you are on. And at least with 79 you can still fastboot and be on path for OTA. Yeah everyone says they will be fine but they don't know that for certain. Moto likes to play games with us pulling these leaks so to think everyone will be able to get on path when OTA hits is NOT a given fact they will be able to be back on path.

[Kirbnite]

I actually really like ICS stock. I'm a true crackflasher but I have to have a stable ROM. Plus this phone already has data issues. Warranty swap time!

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Wow, i'm having issues with a phone, that I manipulated, which includes changing radio files when flashing. Now i'm going to fraudulently have my phone replaced via warranty instead of taking responsibility for my actions. Morons....

[iDroidGuy]

You have some issues dude. Coming on a forum calling people morons. You must feel very tough. This is the reason for a warranty. When your phone has an issue you return it. To me it's very smart. But thanks everyone else for your great input. I've decided tomorrow when I get the replacement that I'm going to try spchicks rom

[Kirbnite]

You have some issues dude. Coming on a forum calling people morons. You must feel very tough. This is the reason for a warranty. When your phone has an issue you return it. To me it's very smart. But thanks everyone else for your great input. I've decided tomorrow when I get the replacement that I'm going to try spchicks rom

Do I feel tough? Lol, no. I do know that that is not what warranty is for. Warranty is for a manufacturer defect. That is a side effect that you experienced from switching from one ROM to another. I will say, I probably should not have used the word 'Moron'. I do not know you, and it sounds more like you just did not know. I guarantee that you did not disclose the fact you rooted your phone and replaced the ROM files when you called in for a replacement. Your data connection issues are software related and not hardware.

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[JungleKing76]

You have some issues dude. Coming on a forum calling people morons. You must feel very tough. This is the reason for a warranty. When your phone has an issue you return it. To me it's very smart. But thanks everyone else for your great input. I've decided tomorrow when I get the replacement that I'm going to try spchicks rom

The fact that you think warranty replacements are there for you to modify and mess up your phone is fitting of the Moron description.

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[beeryooper]

This is the reason for a warranty. When your phone has an issue you return it.

Motorola's definition of warranty: "Products are generally warranted against defects in workmanship and materials for a period of twelve (12) months from the date of shipment, provided the Product remains unmodified and is operated under normal and proper conditions." As soon as you root your phone, its no longer unmodified. Your risk. Your loss. Submitting a warranty because you screwed something by flashing is fraud. The Devs and Admins on this site have made this clear across the threads. And insurance is if something breaks or you drop the phone. Again, not intended to cover flashing issues. I'd love to pay the $90 or whatever to get a replacement razr, but I'm not going to. Unless I drop my phone on the pavement or in the lake when fishing, I accept the risks of flashing.

[Nanniepoo]

It's like buying a car and putting a turbo on it, and trying to get it replaced/repaired under warranty because I'm no longer getting the gas mileage I was promised....not at all what warranty is designed for.

It's fraud, and we're costing the OEMs and carriers extra money by getting replacements when we break something, which is why they're cracking down on bootloaders so much in an attempt to stop stuff like this from happening.

[dccoh]

The fact that you think warranty replacements are there for you to modify and mess up your phone is fitting of the Moron description.

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Sadly, I don't think he is a moron. I think going into this, he, like many others, do things they wouldnt normally do to an expensive electronic item because they have the warranty to fall back on. People that play the 'system' tend to be fairly crafty and only play 'dumb' as an excuse.

The way he worded his post saying that he needed a stable rom and THEN threw in that he was supposedly having data issues too shows excuses (I believe the data issues were because of his flashing in the first place).

Thats like saying "My new car radio doesnt seem to play all my cd's that i've made on my home computer so i'm going to return it! Oh and yea the transmission doesn't go into 3rd gear or higher, eh no biggie there though"

If Verizon/Motorola/etc ever become more strict on checking phones that they receive on warranty replacements, I bet people (except the ones that do research, know what they are doing, or are daredevils and will do it regardless) will be less apt to toy with their phones.

Just my opinion

[trikotret]

Dunno why you guys bitc$%#g about. All the phones who are soft bricked and replaced by Verizon get sent back to Motorola. Motorola will inspect the phone if any hardware malfunction then return phone to stock. Then sends it back to Verizon to be used as a FRU. Yes it's lots of work and money spending for Motorola and Verizon but its part of business. When I worked in the cellphone business, I've seen many customers don't know how to turn on their phones. Imagine those customers calling Verizon cs. Verizon would send them a replacement and take their working unit and pass it along as a FRU.

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[dccoh]

Dunno why you guys bitc$%#g about. All the phones who are soft bricked and replaced by Verizon get sent back to Motorola. Motorola will inspect the phone if any hardware malfunction then return phone to stock. Then sends it back to Verizon to be used as a FRU. Yes it's lots of work and money spending for Motorola and Verizon but its part of business. When I worked in the cellphone business, I've seen many customers don't know how to turn on their phones. Imagine those customers calling Verizon cs. Verizon would send them a replacement and take their working unit and pass it along as a FRU.

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Comparing a customer that doesn't know how to turn on a phone to a customer who roots/hacks/flashes their phone might be considered a poor comparison. My neighbor has property insurance and was robbed recently but that doesn't mean I should go help myself to his things while he is at work since I know he is covered.

I'm sure these phones get sent right to Motorola and are re-flashed without issues, but this cost isn't magically absorbed. I'd love to see the insurance change to $99 for a replacement to $99 per hardware replacement and $150 if its due to hack/flash/mods.

[trikotret]

These arguments are pointless and not worth it. We can all go on. Its simple. There are 2 types of people in this matter. Either you buy a retail replacement or get a replacement from Verizon. Whether you and i agree to it or not. We can't tell people what to do.

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[Nanniepoo]

You don't think that if people actually owned up to their mistakes it would ease things between the dev community and the OEMs? There's a reason that Moto is releasing their developer edition hardware without warranty. People think they're so entitled to people cleaning up their mess they'll cause hardware damage (microwave, driving over it, etc) in order to get it replaced.

I have no idea what percentage of phones sent back are due to modding/hacking compared to ones with legitimate defects, but as dccoh mentioned, that cost doesn't magically go away, and it shouldn't be part of "business". It's basic honesty. I have no problem "working the system", complaining to get extra perks, etc. I had a legitimate issue with my home AT&T service and complained enough to get a free box and free movies monthly. I'm currently trying to get Moto to fix my Xoom as it hasn't worked correctly since I purchased it, and I'll keep sending it back until they get it right. If I had modified it first, I'd own up, as we all should.

[trikotret]

There you go Motorola releasing a developer edition without warranty. is that legit. They should at least honor warranty for hardware defect and not bricked devices. Cuz Ill guarantee you one thing, if the boot loaders are unlocked, no one would be bricked. Cuz our great community developers out there can help unbrick a device without moto's help. Like I said these arguments are pointless, cuz I am willing to bet that 90% of the crackflashers or whatever you want to call them will go to Verizon for a replacement. the other 10% will stick with their out the upgrade path device or buy a new one. It is what it is and no matter how long you guys preach, things will never change.

[Nanniepoo]

I definitely agree with you that basically no bricks would occur with an unlocked bootloader...but it's going to be hard for the OEMs/carriers to listen to us when they're already busy repairing the mistakes of those who choose to get it replaced.

And I know my complaining won't change anything, but since it is a business, and Moto knows there will legitimate and illegitimate replacements, they factor that into the cost of their phones. So you're welcome to everyone who has decided to get their bricked or buggy phone replaced, as I paid for part of your replacement when I bought my phone. Actually all of us here bought you a replacement phone because you couldn't own up.

[jtelander]

You have some issues dude. Coming on a forum calling people morons. You must feel very tough. This is the reason for a warranty. When your phone has an issue you return it. To me it's very smart. But thanks everyone else for your great input. I've decided tomorrow when I get the replacement that I'm going to try spchicks rom

I notice that the owners/administrators have not weighed in on the actions of this person who is also a board moderator.

Should we presume that the owners of this site support this behavior?

[STiK]

I gave up caring if people conduct warranty fraud long ago. Over the years I have seen people who seemingly are against this sort of practice just to find out later that they do the same thing. So I say "DO WHAT YOU WILL"

*Cheers*

[BigDaddyHicks]

Warranty fraud or any kind of fraud for that matter will not be tolerated and will not be discussed here at droidrzr.com. This is a warning. Let's keep the chat civilized and free of swearing as well please.

[Brad92]

There's a difference in a warranty if you screw the phone up or the phone hardware just stops working. For example, if the speaker stops working, that's a hardware issue, or the screen gets dead spots. If the phone won't boot because you borked an install, that's your fault.

Its just like a vehicle. If you install an exhaust and your a/c goes out, how is that even related? It should be fixed under warranty. But, if you install a sound system and screw up the wiring and your head unit dies, that's your fault.

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[iDroidGuy]

To end this thread, I've gotten my replacement. The phone had black ink spots on the screen when I got it, the data issues were there since I got the original but progressively got worse. So we can stop calling it fraud and call it procrastinating. Now locking the thread to not upset anyone else.

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