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Started by tucstwo , Mar 27 2013 07:26 PM
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Poll: Developer Devices (218 member(s) have cast votes)

Do You Own a Device that has a Developer Version Offered?

  1. Voted Yes (108 votes [49.54%])

    Percentage of vote: 49.54%

  2. No (76 votes [34.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 34.86%

  3. Voted Not Sure (34 votes [15.60%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.60%

Do You Currently Own a Developer Device?

  1. Yes (11 votes [5.05%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.05%

  2. Voted No (193 votes [88.53%])

    Percentage of vote: 88.53%

  3. Voted Ummm...I'm not sure?? (14 votes [6.42%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.42%

Would You Purchase a Developer Device if it were going to cost you $500-$600+?

  1. Yes (19 votes [8.72%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.72%

  2. Voted No (74 votes [33.94%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.94%

  3. Well, It REALLY Depends on the Device (109 votes [50.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

  4. Voted WTF is a Developer Device? (16 votes [7.34%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.34%

If it became a reality that from today forward, the ONLY way you could unlock, root and rom your device was with a developer device ($500+USD) would you still be into this hobby?

  1. Yes (67 votes [30.73%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.73%

  2. Voted No (35 votes [16.06%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.06%

  3. Not Sure (28 votes [12.84%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.84%

  4. Again, the Device Would Have to REALLY Wow Me! (79 votes [36.24%])

    Percentage of vote: 36.24%

  5. Voted Still have no clue what you mean by Developer Device (9 votes [4.13%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.13%

How Many Android Owners (in Your Opinion) Care About Being Rooted, or ROMing?)

  1. Almost All of Them (5 votes [2.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.29%

  2. Most of Them (23 votes [10.55%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.55%

  3. Voted The Average User (26 votes [11.93%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.93%

  4. Voted Eh, Some Of Them (95 votes [43.58%])

    Percentage of vote: 43.58%

  5. A Few of Them (31 votes [14.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.22%

  6. It's a Tiny, Little Niche Market, Most People Don't Even Know WTF Rooting IS! (38 votes [17.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.43%

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#1 tucstwo

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 07:26 PM

A fun, multi-question poll made for our sites front page. Trying to bring things into perspective.


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Posted 27 March 2013 - 07:34 PM

Opinions are ALWAYS welcome, especially pertaining to the LAST question. In all of your opinion just HOW many Android buyers do you think represent out modding community? I bet it's MUCH smaller than most think.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 08:17 PM

I will be honest here, If I had to feed my Family or pay bills, I would just have the normal current non dev phone, at the end of the day its still a phone... However, this is only if I had to buy a dev phone.. Sorry but, maybe I'm too honest.. It's just the truth..

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 09:59 PM

Money is too tight with the economy the way it is. If I had to pay $500-$600 for a phone just to be able to do the stuff I do, there would be no more ROMs, Themes or anything from me anymore. I can't afford that crap and to be honest, they're not worth it. You can do quite a bit with Android phones nowadays without them being rooted.

I own a device that has a developer edition available (RAZR Maxx), but money is the sole reason I didn't get the developer edition and I'll never pay $500-$600 for a phone that should be unlocked in the first place.
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Posted 28 March 2013 - 12:37 AM

I wouldn't even touch a dev M right now. It seems like there is more development for the retail M, and I got mine for $.01 with my recent upgrade. As for people that care about development, I think it pertains to a majority of Android users. After talking to the guys here at work that have Razrs of some sort, most of them are rooted and running SS with custom ROMs. The guys that are still running stock have talked to me about possibly rooting their phones. I even have one iOS guy that I've convinced to convert when he upgrades. There are over 4 million members of XDA, that just tells me that the interest in development is huge. It's easy, why not do it?
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Posted 28 March 2013 - 04:45 AM

This is a great poll. I'm with BDH, money is tight as it is these days. The economy is in shambles (but recovering, slowly). The average android hobbyist, which encompasses most of our user base, simply can't afford to shell out 500-600 bucks for a dev phone, it's simple math and common sense.

The "well people should buy a dev device" argument does only one thing, hurt the community. This community has been built on ingenuity and it's ability to adapt and evolve as software and hardware changes. If, theoretically, you could ONLY root with a dev device, this community would shrink into obscurity VERY quickly. I've noticed that all the "impossible" root exploits end up being a reality fairly quickly. Also, as we've seen witth he bounties, the community is willing to invest in people like Dan who develop these exploits and make it worth their while. The bounty for HD has been up for a little less that 24 hours and has already reached over 300 bucks. This argument has made me tired and I'm, frankly, sick of hearing that we should all just, basically, go put our head in sand and pony up for a dev device. Doing so would do nothing but shrink this community into nothing.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 10:32 AM

You might as well go with an Iphone if this was to happen......lol!!!
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Posted 28 March 2013 - 11:45 AM

Any developer who says "Go buy a Dev phone if you don't like it" is killing the cause. The ONE WAY we as a community can hurt the OEM's and the Carriers is to NOT support dev phones. Dev phones are their way of "giving us what we want" but not having to have the responsibility of backing their products. By boycotting dev phones and DEMANDING unlocked devices, not verbally but with your purchases, that is the ONLY way we can win this war.

Buying the dev device is a COP OUT. You're playing THEIR GAME (and losing). Buy the locked phone. Hack the Locked phone. WIN.
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Posted 28 March 2013 - 12:23 PM

Any developer who says "Go buy a Dev phone if you don't like it" is killing the cause. The ONE WAY we as a community can hurt the OEM's and the Carriers is to NOT support dev phones. Dev phones are their way of "giving us what we want" but not having to have the responsibility of backing their products. By boycotting dev phones and DEMANDING unlocked devices, not verbally but with your purchases, that is the ONLY way we can win this war.

Buying the dev device is a COP OUT. You're playing THEIR GAME (and losing). Buy the locked phone. Hack the Locked phone. WIN.


Could not agree more sir! Leave these dev phones alone. They are the OEMs way of saying "here now sit down and shut up." I'm not gonna stand for it and I wish others wouldn't either.
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Posted 28 March 2013 - 06:18 PM

If the only way was root/rom my phone was to buy a dev edition phone, id have to say bye to android for now. I have bills and other stuff to pay for...once i have etra money though...then i'd cave and buy one. But what was said about hacking the "normal" phone... i agree with. :)

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 08:45 AM

Opinions are ALWAYS welcome, especially pertaining to the LAST question. In all of your opinion just HOW many Android buyers do you think represent out modding community? I bet it's MUCH smaller than most think.

My thoughts as far as that goes are that just like Jailbreaking, it has become more mainstream than it once was and is more common that one may think. However, I think the IMPORTANT question is "How many are interested in rooting/modding AND actually understand what the heck it is". I know a whole slew of folks who are rooted because "some guy told them it would be a good idea".

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 08:47 AM

Any developer who says "Go buy a Dev phone if you don't like it" is killing the cause. The ONE WAY we as a community can hurt the OEM's and the Carriers is to NOT support dev phones. Dev phones are their way of "giving us what we want" but not having to have the responsibility of backing their products. By boycotting dev phones and DEMANDING unlocked devices, not verbally but with your purchases, that is the ONLY way we can win this war. Buying the dev device is a COP OUT. You're playing THEIR GAME (and losing). Buy the locked phone. Hack the Locked phone. WIN.

Sorry, not going to take ANY chances on buying a locked phone EVER again. Cop out or not, if the ONLY way to get the device I want is to buy the developer edition, i'm doing it. Workarounds such as kexec and the like are NOT acceptable workarounds for a bootloader that cannot be unlocked.

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 10:26 AM

Any developer who says "Go buy a Dev phone if you don't like it" is killing the cause. The ONE WAY we as a community can hurt the OEM's and the Carriers is to NOT support dev phones. Dev phones are their way of "giving us what we want" but not having to have the responsibility of backing their products. By boycotting dev phones and DEMANDING unlocked devices, not verbally but with your purchases, that is the ONLY way we can win this war.

Buying the dev device is a COP OUT. You're playing THEIR GAME (and losing). Buy the locked phone. Hack the Locked phone. WIN.


Agree 100%. The only way I would likely buy one is if I was going to buy off contract anyway to keep unlimited data, but that situation doesn't apply to me.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 07:17 AM

I'll add my 2 cents as well. For me, it's a little like a two edged sword. I have to have decent service both at home and at work on the same carrier. With where I live, VZW is really my only current option. Even at that, my signal is not super strong at my house as well as the path to the main corridor so now equipment comes into play. Moto has the best radios out there IMO. That seriously limits my options on an unlocked bootloader unit.

I do completely understand the points Tucstwo and others have made and agree. One thing that those of us that have purchased a dev edition has done is to discredit the arguement that the carrier presents that unlocked bootloader equipment presents trouble for the network.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 11:53 AM

If I had to pay $500-$600 for a phone for my crackflashing habits, then it would be the best time to attend Rehab for crackflashers :) I rather spend that money on my family. They come first. :)

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 08:01 AM

I'd gladly pay dev prices for a phone - knowing I'd 1) not be losing my unlimited data until I chose to do so myself (or chose to find an alternative), and 2) I'd be getting a phone that I want that I could unlock and modify AND not lose factory warranty.

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 10:31 AM

I'd gladly pay dev prices for a phone - knowing I'd 1) not be losing my unlimited data until I chose to do so myself (or chose to find an alternative), and 2) I'd be getting a phone that I want that I could unlock and modify AND not lose factory warranty.


Correct me if I'm wrong but you DO lose factory warranty when you unlock it.

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 11:23 AM

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 06:01 PM

Yes, big ol' letters "Voids factory warranty" when you go to unlock it.

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 07:00 PM

Yes, big ol' letters "Voids factory warranty" when you go to unlock it.


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