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[timpohladthomas]

I will take all of them please.

Once you buy them for me just PM me and I will give you the address where you can send them. Heck, I'll even pay shipping! :

[coletrane09]

I like getting 4g and making calls in my house with my razr while my samsung friends will not maybe it's my body chemistry but every vzw samsung around my house I always have a better data and voice signal. I had to buy a network extender so the wife could make calls with her note2. Not bashing Samsung but I will get a new moto for call quality from experience.

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[rebretz000]

Thats basically why I'm hoping for the Moto X to be unlocked. Motorola already had the best radios/antenni out there now they have this improved radio. In the office I work at I couldn't get a signal sometimes with my GS3 or GNEX. I always get a good 4G signal with my HD.

 

Heard the S4 has good radios now but not spending the $600 or so to find out. I was actually thinking of transferring my upgrade from my unlimited line to a non-unlimited line and getting one to sale.

[PUNISHERB273]

You can transfer your upgrade to another line?

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[rebretz000]

i read that in a Verizon support forum.

[tucstwo]

You used to be able to. Either way just upgrade the line due for the upgrade, then swap the phones numbers/sim cards.

[PUNISHERB273]

Well for those of us with unlimited data its not that simple as we don't want to pay the same for 2 gigs

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[rebretz000]

This could be the final straw with moto...and its not that the phone is mid level its that moto is pricing it like its a hero phone.... This phone ain't saving anything

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[BytecodeMe]

Decent benchmarks, if you're into that kind of thing. Even beats the God Almighty S4 in some categories.

 

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P.S: I ain't getting the X.

[livinginkaos]

Wooohooo benchmarks. Everything else looks like 6-12 months behind in order to restore some faith.

[PUNISHERB273]

I'll just wait for the galaxy s4 lte-a with the snappy 800

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[rebretz000]

More than likely I'm getting the LG Optimus G2. The HD will be my last Motorola phone

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[Einsteindks]

I'd take the Moto X, or maybe even the Droid Maxx. The customizable look of the X, the battery capacity of the Maxx, It would all depend on what deals are available. The one major glitch that is really keeping me from committing is that mysterious 32 gigabyte onboard memory, and the absence of external SD card support. Just how much is that 32 will be left over for us to play with? If I'm not flashing ROMs, that's not much of a problem. I'd love to see the partitioning of the memory.

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[BionicMan69]

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Even tho the specs are not that desirable, you can get a developer edition.
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[sparky697]

http://m.androidcentral.com/moto-x-will-have-unlockable-bootloader-most-carriers-verizon-will-get-developer-edition
Even tho the specs are not that desirable, you can get a developer edition.
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Awesome! I'm gonna order one.....wait I can't because I just ordered a s4 dev edition today. That money would have been Moto's if the x was priced better. I think my cut off point would have been $400.

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[TeamRage]

This is a lengthy post but it seems a lot of people are basing their purchase of a Moto X on the fact that the device is "Made in the U.S.A." when in fact it is not.:

 

The popularity of the United States International Trade Commission (USITC, or just ITC) as a patent litigation forum is largely attributable to the difficulties patent holders face in U.S. federal court. District courts are usually slower than the ITC, and even after final liability findings in your favor, it's still doubtful whether -- and when -- you're going to obtain meaningful remedies. The state of affairs in the first Apple v. Samsunglitigation in the Northern District of California is a good example: the complaint was 

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, and in August 2012 a jury found Samsung to infringe half a dozen Apple patents. The court declined to overrule the jury on these liability findings, but Apple was 

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 (the related appellate hearing

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) and to date has not received even one cent of damages.

 

By contrast, Samsung's June 2011 ITC complaint against Apple resulted in a liability finding only with respect to a FRAND-pledged standard-essential patent (SEP), but the ITC 

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 in a controversial 

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 decision, which will take effect on Monday unless stayed or 

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 at the 11th hour. A ruling on Apple's ITC countercomplaint against Samsung is 

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, so Apple may also win an ITC import ban prior to anyactual remedy in district court.

The ITC's willingness to order import bans over FRAND-pledged SEPs, its outlier positions on the antitrust issue of tying (

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, 

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) and the 

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 are policy issues. Despite concerns about the efficiency and transparency of the related enforcement procedures and a drop-out rate of patent assertions by major operating companies near the 100% mark, patent infringers still fear the ITC.

 

Google's Motorola Mobility is a company that has been unable to prevail on any offensive claim so far at the ITC. It has three appeals of dismissals of its ITC claims going (

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, 

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, 

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). It has been successful in its defense against Apple's complaint (Apple 

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), but in May 2012 

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, and Microsoft is 

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 with an appellate hearing to 

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.

 

Contrary to popular misbelief, ITC import bans are usually not limited to particular devices but relate to all devices by a particular company infringing a patent in a certain way, unless there are differences with respect to licensing (for example, Samsung 

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Thus it wouldn't matter that the 

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 was not available at the time of the investigation of Microsoft and Apple's complaints. But in a filing in the 

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, Google states another reason for which the Moto X, in its opinion, falls outside the scope of an ITC import ban such as the one obtained by Microsoft (click on the image to enlarge or read the text below the image):

 

 

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"Motorola recently announced a new line of phones, the Moto X™, that will be assembled in the United States and are therefore not subject to the exclusion order. [...]"

Forbes contributor Tim Worstall explained the difference between Made in America and Assembled in America in a 

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. The only part of the manufacturing of the Moto X phone that takes place in the United States is final assembly. Arguably, Google's emphasis of assembly in the U.S. is a marketing ploy. It may also be politically-motivated. And it's fairly likely that Google's analysis of the upside and downside of assembly in the U.S. alsoinvolved a plan for an end run around the ITC's jurisdiction.

In a 2011 ruling on an S3 Graphics complaint against Apple, the ITC 

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. The ITC can prohibit the importation of devices that infringe an asserted patent claim if the act of importation itself constitutes a violation -- as opposed to post-importation activities by the importer.

 

For the Moto X, multiple components of wil be shipped in a non-assembled form to the U.S., and it's possible that Google's Motorola ensures that the Android software is installed only in the U.S. and not prior to importation. If an infringement dispute ever arises with respect to the Moto X, we'll all find out more about the manufacturing chain for this device. For now, what's clear is Google's position: it believes that final assembly in the U.S. puts the product outside the scope of an ITC exclusion order. If Google is right, patent holders can only assert their rights by suing in U.S. federal court (or in foreign jurisdictions), and Apple v. Samsung shows how difficult and time-consuming that process is.

 

 

Ok tl;dr, the Moto X is "assembled" in the United States, not "made" in the United States, and yes there is a difference. 

[BionicMan69]

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Here's a interesting article of Samsung tweaking there phones to get higher benchmark scores. Since a lot of people say Moto done it with the Moto X. Samsung just as guilty of it too. Which don't matter to me, my next phone probably be the Lg Optimus G2. Samsung going to have some competition with that one.
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[blaten22]

I'm undecided on what to do. I'm due a upgrade at the end of the month.

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