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[welsalex]

The banks were forced by who?

The real estate crash is a major contributor to our current economic dilemma.

You also made a statement earlier about the government spending your money.

Being a part of a country, you have an obligation to support it one way or another. At least you can get healthcare from it!

I still see Obama as someone trying to help the greater good.

All of the negative points presented and the nanna's brother's cousin is getting raised rates and is awaiting a death panel decision is bogus.

Typical scare tactics taken to heart by the fearful.

Nothing is worse than the easily manipulated pansy.

I don't follow politics because, as is the case here, everyone can quote a source and nobody will believe it anyway because it isn't in what they think is in their best interests. $

Dude, PLUS ____ING 1

Sorry about that. I've been trying to sort my thoughts correctly concerning what are the real issues and what I feel some just keep ranting about and how to approach it. Politics, who knew lol. Your last sentence really just spells out the truth about threads like these (and much much more)... I can quote what I see as "real" and others will deny/ignore it because they don't want to hear it. Same goes for me in some cases. I don't actually follow politics, but I've been raised a certain way to believe in certain aspects, and nuture has proven effective as I feel the desire to continue to uphold my teaching. No I'm not a clone, rather I'm "carrying the tourch".

I welcome debate and parties, because without it we really ARE what we fear.....

[welsalex]

A little more fuel to the fire (not flame war style).

FiveThirtyEight now is showing Obama to be winning at 74.6% up from 73.6% I stated earlier. NateSilver may be young a new to the picture, but in 2008 he accurately predicted almost everything except Iowas numbers. Oh yes, sorry, he's young and I understand people don't trust that, but in the same way who thought google was going to be what it was today back many years ago? Regardless, I feel there is some meaning to FiveThirtyEight, and while I will not say it is the most accurate, I cannot say it doesn't mean $#!7.

[welsalex]

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Hmmm.... Lots to say about this, but I think everyone should be able to see ALL the data, not just what they want to see.

[welsalex]

So many things I have to say about that link I posted. To begin, The Year over year growth rate in percentage declines through every year Obama is in office. The problem I see comparing bush to Obama is money changes over time and the value changes overtime. Comparing Bushes entrance to office almost a decade ago doesn't compute directly with the numbers because of the change in the value of such numbers. However the growth percentages do hold a fixed comparison value for the most part, more than actual dollar amounts do that is.

I want to see what it said about that chart. Of course I expect the number one answer to be "That holds no value, I got all these references to this and that saying otherwise" and of course only one link shows.

Yes this is a little flame-ish, but not without diligence of a respectful nature. I enjoy a robust and discerning response!

[welsalex]

Article:

Need more proof that Presidential polls jump all over the place? President Obama is currently leading in some polls and losing to GOP contender Mitt Romney in others.


According to the most recent

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/Ipsos poll President Obama has taken a 49 percent to 46 percent lead over Mitt Romney, a one percent increase from Saturday’s polling numbers.
While Obama is ahead in that poll Rasmussen Reports’ daily poll shows Romney edging out President Obama with a 50% to 47% lead. The Rasmussen Reports poll also shows unaffiliated voters giving Romney an 11 point lead.
But wait there’s more! Obama is once again leading Mitt Romney 48 percent to 47 percent among registered voters via Gallup polling. However, when Romney is examined on a “seven-day rolling average” he is winning 50 percent to 46 percent.
In his

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blog Nate Silver hands President Obama a 2 point win in Ohio after examining several state polls. Silver also predicts an Obama win in Minnesota with a 6.8 percent lead. If Silver’s numbers are correct Obama could also win Virginia although that likelihood he believes is only 59.8 percent.
The real question will be whether Obama or Romney manage to pull off wins in the all important swing states. Several polls show President Obama with an average win of two points in Ohio. Romney in the meantime is building a grassroots campaign in Wisconsin which now favors President Obama by only 2.3 percent. A Republican has not won Wisconsin since Ronald Reagan won the presidency.
Iowa is also too close to call with

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maintaining a 2.4% lead. Romney is focusing much of his efforts on Iowa with big ad spends.
In all three Midwest battleground states Obama current maintains a three percent average advantage.

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[brewzer]

The banks were forced by who?

The real estate crash is a major contributor to our current economic dilemma.

You also made a statement earlier about the government spending your money.

Being a part of a country, you have an obligation to support it one way or another. At least you can get healthcare from it!

I still see Obama as someone trying to help the greater good.

All of the negative points presented and the nanna's brother's cousin is getting raised rates and is awaiting a death panel decision is bogus.

Typical scare tactics taken to heart by the fearful.

Nothing is worse than the easily manipulated pansy.

I don't follow politics because, as is the case here, everyone can quote a source and nobody will believe it anyway because it isn't in what they think is in their best interests. $

Your friendly neighborhood Socialist Government official with the “Community Reinvestment Act”. Look it up. Another unintended consequence of Government meddling and liberals trying to have equal outcomes instead of equal opportunity for everyone.
The Federal Government was tolerated by the states during the formation of our country and the founding fathers had known it was a problem and limited its scope with Enumerated Powers. The Feds were only supposed to protect the mainland from foreign invasion and provide infrastructure to help interstate commerce. That’s about it. There was no provision for income redistribution (legalized theft) social programs, buying businesses, bailouts etc. This is all BS that people are lead to believe is OK for the Feds to do. Not so. Want an education on the Roll of the Fed, read “Power divided is power checked” by Jason Lewis.
Obama is someone who is trying to get reelected by buying the votes of the ignorant by providing “services”. More “Bread and Circuses”, it’s the oldest trick in the book. He talks like he’s trying to help but for as with any politician look at his record and not the BS he wants you to believe.
The death panels are not bogus. Of course it’s not called a death panel and it’s purpose is supposed to be to reduce costs but make no mistake, all government run plans have a scale the determines the value of your life as you age and the decision of who gets what procedure at what age is part of their cost reduction. Read about the UK’s healthcare plan.
I agree there’s nothing worse than the easily manipulated pansy. The manipulation is done by Big Government making you think they are there to help. Big Government, my friend, are not there to help but to get reelected and get those Juicy benefits they bestowed upon themselves.

[llawen]

One of the beautiful things this country offers its citizens is freedoms to voice their opinions of various topics. And this topic is no different.
I wanted to start this thread just to inform people about Obama care. That's all. As for Droid razr forums. I just chose this one. I knew that this is the fastest way to reach the most people.
Now, about Obama care.
There is some good points about Obama care. I will not deny that.
BUT, one fact remains.....and it is a fact......
Obama care is one big tax law.
Voters must decide for themselves if the tax increases out way the good points of Obama care. I personally do not. I believe the tax increases will do more damage than the good it will do. Once again that is the beauty of being an American, we can voice our opinions.
Here are some more facts....none can deny. Although we can have a difference of opinions for the reasons for these..
Obama has done.....
1.5 billion is free cell phones... and growing.
Gas when he took office 1.80 now 3.50
Median incomes are way down.
110 million on welfare. That's a 1/3 of the population of America.
( that's 1/3 of the population potentially getting free cell phones)
When he took office it was 54 million on welfare. And no cell phone give aways. And we are paying for their plans. It is completely paid for.
25 million Americans out of of work.
46 weeks with unemployment above 8.3
And it is still there. It went down due to more of the work force just giving up. It is actually closer to 11%
Obama was on video stating he is for redistribution of wealth. ( that means take your money and give it to someone else that makes less.) A very socialist point of view.
His first day he did sign an executive order to seal his records. Why?
I could go on and on.
When you look at Obama's work and his plans to take America, it is socialism at his best. Plain and simple.
Government has doubled in power over our lives in 4 years.

Once again, that is the beauty of America. We can voice our opinions, (for now.. if we become a all out socialist nation you will not be able too.)
You must decide what you want. If you like the path of the last four years, then vote for Barak Hussein Obama.

If you do not like the path of this nation then vote for Mitt Romney.
Fact. We were in better shape as a nation under Republican leadership. That is a fact. But we can argue reasons for it. But that is a fact.







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[King Howie]

Nothing is worse than the easily manipulated pansy.

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color me surprised. It seems this thread is now heading off the tracks, and the mods said several times they are watching it. I choose to not be a part of grade school name calling, so I'm out.

But I will leave with this one question. And it's rhetorical. Are we, as a nation better off now than before Obama? The answer is pretty obvious.

And for those who don't know, Reagan turned a worse economy around by this point in his tenure, and had record revenues pouring in. It's a shame Congress wouldn't control spending other peoples' money.

[llawen]

color me surprised. It seems this thread is now heading off the tracks, and the mods said several times they are watching it. I choose to not be a part of grade school name calling, so I'm out.

But I will leave with this one question. And it's rhetorical. Are we, as a nation better off now than before Obama? The answer is pretty obvious.

And for those who don't know, Reagan turned a worse economy around by this point in his tenure, and had record revenues pouring in. It's a shame Congress wouldn't control spending other peoples' money.

I agree I made my points.
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[karthakon]

Further reading on a few points.

1.5 billion is free cell phones... and growing.

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Gas when he took office 1.80 now 3.50

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His first day he did sign an executive order to seal his records. Why?

This one is extremely misleading.

His executive order explained.

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The actual text of the executive order.

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I could go on.

[welsalex]

Further reading on a few points.

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This one is extremely misleading.

His executive order explained.

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The actual text of the executive order.

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I could go on.

What is with us democrats and actually sourcing information?

[greek6486]

Rasmussen as of Monday 10/29/12 Ohio poll: R50% O48%

Bipartisan battleground poll projecting 52R 47O final total of popular.

Five thirty eight even had an article called "the polls aren't wrong" on sep 29th before Romney sunk the SS Obama on October 3rd. I agree... decisive victory coming for Romney.

[welsalex]

Rasmussen as of Monday 10/29/12 Ohio poll: R50% O48%

Bipartisan battleground poll projecting 52R 47O final total of popular.

Five thirty eight even had an article called "the polls aren't wrong" on sep 29th before Romney sunk the SS Obama on October 3rd. I agree... decisive victory coming for Romney.

I wont argue against GOP Rasmussen, but that article on 538 is a month old. This IS going to be a close race. But 538 is a collaboration of multiple polls including Rasmussen. Nate Silver is quite the statistician and I believe he knows what he is doing when applying all the variables. I'm not going to put all my chips into one polling agency.

[karthakon]

What is with us democrats and actually sourcing information?

I just don't know, I should probably join a support group

[llawen]

well let's see where do I start?
I'm not sure if you actually read what you post, but you just supported what I said.
I never said Obama started the program.
In 2008 the phone program was 772 million. In four years Obama has exploded it to 1.6 billion.
And snopes even called it a Government Supported Program.
I don't know if you have seen the TV advertising for the program. But this program is advertising.
Or the video that went that started the term Obama phone. "Vote for Obama he gave us a phone"
Lol safe link ad on as I am typing this lol


Now, as to the Executive Order. That is complete hog wash. In the order sign by Obama in January 2008. It says the information is to be made public . And yet it is not. Donald Trump had to offer him 5 million to his charity of choice to make them public. Obama refuses. His records are not public. Any person for 5 million would slap the documents down with the quickness. It sure makes it look like there is something to hide.



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[llawen]

And the consumer report even says in January 2009, gas was 1.90. Once again you supported what I said.

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[welsalex]

And the consumer report even says in January 2009, gas was 1.90. Once again you supported what I said.

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I don't think you read PAST that line in the article. The article shows that during bushes term price climbed higher and higher and higher. Eventually too high and the price crashed to an extreme low (that happening when obama was getting sworn in). BUT that low price was an over correction. A mistake. So it came up again to re-correct.

I don't even known why I'm bothering to retype it. It's spelled out plain and simple in the article.

Quote from article: "You can’t blame him for high gasoline prices during his term if you aren’t going to credit him for increased oil production or lower natural gas prices. That is, you can’t unless you are simply playing partisan politics."

[welsalex]

The phone issue. Another article you probably didn't even read.

Where the money comes from, Quote:
" The Lifeline program is not directly subsidized by taxpayer monies. It is paid for out of the federal Universal Service Fund (USF) through a fee assessed against telecommunications service providers, who may or may not pass those costs along to their customers"

It's a tax you might pay on your communications bill, not a direct tax straight from the goverment.

Origins of this program: Not obama
Quote: " The Lifeline program originated in 1984, during the administration of Ronald Reagan; it was expanded in 1996, during the administration of Bill Clinton; and its first cellular provider service (SafeLink Wireless) was launched by TracFone in 2008 during the administration of George W. Bush. All of these milestones were passed prior to the advent of the Obama administration."

[llawen]

OK man, Tim Griffin r- ark has put forth a bill to end federal subsidies to gov. Phones. Federal money. Keep telling yourself it is just a fee. And cell phones were added in 2008. Before that it was just land lines.

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